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you know Leslie if I can jump in there

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one more time I think another reason why

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folks are very skeptical of this story

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of the origins of this story not the

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content I think everyone's on board with

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this is real but the way the story has

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come about the other thing is the New

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York Times of course I mean it's it's

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awesome and I have no doubt in terms of

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the way that you're telling it with

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inside the New York Times and how it

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operated and they're careful and

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measured approach and moving it through

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the thing but the New York Times I mean

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where was the New York Times with with

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the 12 part investigative series on your

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book your book had has incredibly

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authoritative trusted voices in it the

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New York Times was nowhere near that

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story where was the New York Times with

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with the disclosure project the

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congressional like disclosure project

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again dozens and dozens of highly

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credible highly credentialed people in

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style inside the deep stick the New York

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Times was nowhere to be found

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so I don't think it really rings true to

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say well they were never given they were

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never given a shot at it it's like no go

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I did this before the show before the

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show you go Google New York Times UFO

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the last 10 years there's nothing and

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now December it all opens up and of

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course the sea is closed right they're

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not fade it really do a faux identity

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and to add to that it's the timing which

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is suspect as well because Podesta and

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Hillary were supposed to be the

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disclosed a lot of people were hanging

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the disclosure had on them as you know

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and then when Hillary lost and Trump's

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in the timing seemed suspect that all of

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a say now they're paying attention to

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the UFO thing and I know there's not a

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lot of I can't cite a lot of evidence

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for that but I think that's just

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building on the reason why some of the

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community just just doesn't doesn't

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trust it or not doesn't trust it but

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it's skeptical of the of the origins I

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mean for one finally after decades and

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decades they're admitting this you know

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I mean it's great on what on one hand I

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mean I think it's fantastic and it has

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been I mean I like to let let you

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comment on that before I ask you ask you

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more about the disclosure

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comment now what specifically I mean I

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mean in terms of what Alex was saying I

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don't think there's ever been a story

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like this that has been brought to the

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New York Times as something brand-new

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exclusive just for them yeah

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the disclosure project if you're talking

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about Steven Greer press conference that

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was all over the map everybody covered

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it and it was over even the New York

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Times I have it they did one little

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article on it and then on my book I mean

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it's all in my book they only want stuff

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at the New York Times that's brand new

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and exclusive for them that's breaking

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news that's different they're not gonna

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just repeat something that's already out

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there this was an exclusive I mean he

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went to CBS I mean that The Times broke

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the story and had the exclusive story

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and then everybody else jumps on

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afterwards but that's what it means to

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have an exclusive that you get the

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biggest Orion in in history right it

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should have been if it's if it's real in

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that way or if it caught the traction

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they wanted to where's the 12 part

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series but then he just goes and makes

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the rounds I mean it's like a guy coming

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out with a new book he goes on CBS he

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finds and the tracks played to think

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from Tucker Carlson I thought would

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probably did the the best yes I mean

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Elizondo graciously much to his dislike

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it he didn't want to go on the media

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he'd never done it before he was very

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nervous he took he it was coached and he

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did it he did this following the release

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of the article but the important thing

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was the release of the New York Times

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article and yes the media went bananas

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afterwards and yes he was willing to be

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interviewed about it I don't really

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understand the point you're making well

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I think you you do you just have a

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different opinion which is fair but I'll

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make a different point that's related

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you you've been in this field so you

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certainly understand the other hesitancy

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people have given the amount of

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misinformation disinformation criminal

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activity coercion intimidation that's

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going on with the release of this

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information

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Paul bennewitz kind of thing where they

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admit yeah we drove the guy crazy I mean

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they admit that stuff but there's tons

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of other people have come and said hey I

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was threatened my family was threatened

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all the rest of stuff the the they've

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kept such a tight lid on this

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information to juxtapose that with this

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release just sends a lot of people

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reeling like and then to say well this

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one wasn't classified and you know

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somehow there's it just doesn't ring

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true to me and to a lot of other people

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there's some other story here you're not

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responsible for that story your response

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we're telling your story and you've done

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a fantastic job with it and it's kind of

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in sync with the way you've done your

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book kind of cautious but built on solid

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rock which is what we need but I think

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you understand why people would be you

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know a little bit leery of the deep

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states out there muscling and bullying

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people and now all of a sudden it's like

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oh no here under the trough and eat

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